Italy Post 04
Last night, Mittelwerk's car headed for the airport. I followed, praying I could come across some flight information before he jetted away.
But he wasn't in the car.
By the time I realized it was the other members of The Hanso Foundation party, it was too late.
So, I headed back toward the water. Figured a walk on the wharf would clear my head.
It did a lot more than that:
Helgus Antonius. What does that mean?
What the hell is in those crates? Is this all part of the SPIDER PROTOCOL?
And, if so... was I wrong about the island near the equator? Is this place in the Mediterranean? Somewhere else? Where is Mittelwerk going???
I want to scream.
I've given up way too much of my life for it to end like this. Please don't let it end like this.
I need to know where he's heading if I'm gonna stop him!
GIDGETGIRL! WHERE ARE YOU?
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well what do we all make of this? im confused rachel, what do you want from us? this is not much fun any more, just lots of traipsing aound for very little reward..
Don't worry.. I'm sure Gidgetgirl or someone else will step in and help you out! You NEED to find out where that crate is headed!
I suppose sneaking on the boat is out of the question.
top ten! I made it :)
me too
Rachel, I am not sure about this, but I think boats have to declare where they have been, where their cargo comes from, where they are going etc etc when they come into a port. If you could find the right office and meet the right person, I am sure you could get that information, as well as find out to whom the boat is registered. If you have no other ideas, start there.
Oh and an anagram for the ships name is "haunting lauses". I find that funny, because that is pretty much what you are doing (ie you doing the haunting, them being the louses)
Funny funny.
top ten! again!
Helgus Antonius is Italian i think, possibly latin..
that's all i got...
sorry hon
im sorry... is it just me or does that kind of look like Alvar Hanso on the ship!?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonius show's what Antonius means but I didn't find what Helgus is
Is it me , or is Rachel making an awful lot of references to "hell" ?
http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/
Rachel Blake:
"GIDGETGIRL! WHERE ARE YOU?"
I dunno Rachel, why haven't you hacked her cpu'z yet. You could put teh trojan on her 'puter fans. Make them spin at odd times. Just cross red wire with blue wire and push execute.
You aren't suggesting Gidgetgirl is the only one with answers are you? I hope not, that would imply that you are inept!
w00t top 15 for once!
Helgus Antonius is the name of the ship. It sounds scandinavian to me. Hanso foundation has strong Scandinavian links.
Well as for 'Helgus Antonius', it may be an anagram for: 'Hanso eluting us' = Hanso eluding us >;o)
Who knows, but that is what I got and thought...
Top 20?
At first glance I would guess that they are the latin roots for the modern names Helga and Anthony (or Antonio in Italy)
Looking at the pic tho it appears the i in antonius is the only lower case letter. Does this have significance? Or could it be one of those european upside down exclamation marks?
interesting :)
I hope Gidgetgirl will answer for once,
but then again, maibe Rachel can do some of her Persephone stricks again?
If she really is Persephone...
However it is also an anagram for: 'Hanso ugliest un' *grin* - it gets better and better >;oD
No one cares about top 20 also i don't think its an anagram EVERYTIME!
Yo Rachel, any chances of you telling us what harbour you're at? Which port exactly?
If this is the ship that Thomas' Korean friend Minsu was building for him - and I must say, huge ship to be building quicktime - then isn't it supposed to need a 'special' port to dock?
Just throwing it out there, and we're not even sure that this is the specified boat, but it's a start.
P.S. On another note, I'm agreeing with hatterwar on his comment, that guy in the middle does look "hell"ishly like grainy old hanso.
Maybe he's going to hell? Betcha the crates are full of Mittelwerk's blood.
"winged_eel said...
Rachel, I am not sure about this, but I think boats have to declare where they have been, where their cargo comes from, where they are going etc etc when they come into a port. If you could find the right office and meet the right person, I am sure you could get that information, as well as find out to whom the boat is registered. If you have no other ideas, start there."
We've had several examples of the power THF has on the legal system. I'm sure they can falsify a few records and get away with it.
I found Helgi is Icelandic for Holy....
And Antonius is from the Greek family started by Anton, the Son of Hercules...
So my guess is..
Holy Son Of Hercules
If you look closely the ship is called HELGUS ANONiUS....with the letter I in small case....maybe the ship is not an anagram but in fact initials that stand for something?
Rachel, you still have explaining to do from yesterday. No help from me until we get answers.
Sorry HELGUS ANTONiUS :s
"Cipher said...
No one cares about top 20 also i don't think its an anagram EVERYTIME!"
i agree with you only on the second part
Actually, upon closer inspection, I'd say that the three men standing at the guardrail are Fixer, Alvar, and Thomas from left to right.
Again, agreeing with P.R.M.S. on his comment that THF is still the world leader in subverting authority.
"jimbob89 said...
If you look closely the ship is called HELGUS ANONiUS....with the letter I in small case....maybe the ship is not an anagram but in fact initials that stand for something?"
That's a REALLY acronym if it is
lol *really big*
PRMS ... Ooops Sorry.. I'm not good with English lol
It was just a guess Lol but you never know :D
jimbob89:?...
no english mistakes. i agree with you on it not being an anagram (letters rearanged) but i don't belive it's and acronym (each letter stands for a word [like initials]) as it would be extremly long
*extremely
god i'm horrid at typing lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Helgus/Eventology
Sounds like a connection to The Valenzetti Equation to me.
Antonius was also a Roman general under Julius Caesar in the Gallic wars. Could be a connection to the good Doctors relationship with Alvar.
Greek translation is..
'The Holy Flower'
Incidentally, Helgus Antonius is also an anagram of "Usage: Hunt Lions"
So maybe he's off to Africa on Safari?
Or "Athens, u log us in" :p
also, according to Behind the Name
Antonius
Gender: Masculine
Usage: Ancient Roman, Dutch
Ancient Roman form of ANTHONY. This is also the modern Dutch form of the name.
I love answers.com
ron: i agree
eventology sounds like it goes hand-in-hand with the VE
YEah I agree on rons theory aswell...its a likely clue or link
Rachel...all I can tell u is that Helgus is a port situated between Kazackstan and China(n.w. Xinjiang region).
Perhaps, that is the original port of call for that vessel.
Good luck, Marie
So have we narrowed this name down to Greece related?
i think we might be getting another convo with GG because every time rachel shouts to GG we usually get at least a brief convo
If it's the right boat, why SHOULD sneaking on board be out of the question - if they're headed toward the island, it may be the only way to follow them safely.
Except for than, I got nuthin.
I thought I had a spot of luck when i cam along this site looking for a boat named Helgus Antonius but it is just a dead end :( http://portfocus.com/italy/san_remo/index.html
RACHEL WHICH PORT IS IT AT?!?!
I'm just based that on name meaning and they are in the Med. Sea.
Doesn't Holy Flower have a connection with Fountain of Youth?
Now I take a second look, I'm not so sure. Helgus appears to be the name of a Wiki user. Although, Helgus' page "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Helgus" seems to have a real "end of the world" feel to it.
here is a map of san remo so one of these two ports might be the port at which rachel is at? http://www.hotelsitalyonline.com/cities/san_remo_map.jpg
no listing for the ship in this database of ships. http://www.shipindex.org/
sorry for leaving links but they might help us http://www.sanremoguide.com/inglese/porto_storia.htm
google Allan and the holy flower....
all kind of goodies.
Porto Vecchio and Porto Cole are just tourist harbours says Wikipedia
this is where san remo is located http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sanremolocation2.png and then this is where the nearest airports are http://www.aircraft-charter-world.com/images/countries/europe/italy.gif
who were the guys on the ship in the photo? Hanso minions or higher level guys?
nickb123 Does that mean they cant still hold boats n cargo ships?
jimbob89 Well from what I'm seeing it just has lots and lots of yachts, and doesn't seem to do cargo ships.
Ron said...
"Now I take a second look, I'm not so sure. Helgus appears to be the name of a Wiki user. Although, Helgus' page "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Helgus" seems to have a real "end of the world" feel to it."
Follow the link at the bottom of that page to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafka
and further to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metamorphosis
I don't think it is a lowercase i.
I think it is an uppercase I with part of it scratched out. Look at some of the others, they have scratches also.
Also, if we're taking 'Holy Flower' as accurate, this is quite interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neeraj
Its a synonym of holy flower and relates to water and being born from water - kind of boat namey
Oh well it was worth a shot lol It gives you a shot of energy tjho....looking for clues n all that stuff...i used to just wait for some one else to finds them i didnt realise how fun itis lol
Might be another coincidence (folowing up on Amandel)
"Helgus international trade center was initiated on Sept. 24, 2004, in an agreement signed between the governments of China and Kazakstan, which states that a free port city is to be set up at their borders with functions of investment, trade, financial service and tourism. "
Created right after The Crash
@jimbob - I'm not 100% though, and I can't find any other Sanremo ports so maybe it is one of those two
I just hope we get another post from either Rachel or GidgetGirl cos we dont know where to go! she relies on us to help her but we cant cos she hasnt given us anything!sewvm
snippet to recap on..
MINSU: I think you'll be pleased to hear your ship is almost ready; with all the modifications. But I have to warn you - this kind of ship can't dock just anywhere.
MITTELWERK: We have a port. How long will it be?
MINSU: I'd say no sooner than three weeks.
MITTELWERK: Could you pass the pepper? So what will it take to make it 2 weeks?
When you search Helgus Antonius on google, the only page with the two is this Italian one which has the words in separate bits. Translated:
PERSIUS Flaccus, Aulus [Saturae]
Saturae / A. Persius Flaccus ; commentario atque indice rerum notabilium instruxit Helgus Nikitinski ; accedunt varia de Persio iudicia saec. XIV-XX. - München ; Leipzig : Saur, 2002. - 364 p. ; 25 cm. - (Sammlung Wissenschaftlicher Commentare). - Con testo latino. ISBN 3-598-74293-2.
Coll. (f) LAT 1739 a 2
READER, William W.
The severed hand and upright corpse : the declamations of Marcus Antonius Polemo / by William W. Reader ; in collaboration with Anthony J. Chvala-Smith. - Atlanta : Scholars Press, 1996. - xxv, 540 p. ; 24 cm. - (Texts and translations / Society of biblical literature ; 42. Graeco-Roman religion series ; 12). - Con testo greco. ISBN 0-7885-0282-4.
- Sogg.: 1. Polemon, Marcus Antonius
Coll. (f) GR 2033 A 1
gbm601 Where did you find that? have i missed something?!
some other site that might be usefull is www.shipfinder.org to find the Helgus Antonius. It's probally a fake ship so it wont be listed.
thats from one of rbs earlier posts jimbo
ship will have had a name photoshopped on, so dont worry guys i dont think this ship will pop up on any database
to be perfectly honest i dont think that it will be listed as gbm601 posted this...
MINSU: I think you'll be pleased to hear your ship is almost ready; with all the modifications. But I have to warn you - this kind of ship can't dock just anywhere.
MITTELWERK: We have a port. How long will it be?
MINSU: I'd say no sooner than three weeks.
MITTELWERK: Could you pass the pepper? So what will it take to make it 2 weeks?
The first sentence by Minsu says they cant have just any port so it might be secrative?
or the port needs to have deep water to dock
theboogwa yeah it could be due to the size n the requirements but what if it was to be done secrativly and off the record?
So we should be focusing on a translation. Altavista is so far failing me in Spanish, Italian, Greek, French, Russian, German
you dont think its heading for london, there quite a few things on her 43 things site. She of course has been to italy and also copenhagen too. other mentions are germany, france and spain.
Isn't the Helgus port in China a land-port, though? Doesn't sound like it's easily accessible if it's near Kazakhstan.
wow. okay, is anyone willing to get me caught up? been out since post 01!
if not, I'll try to do so on my own. i just want to contribute (as always).
thanks.
and if no one is willing to catch me up, then maybe just tell me what the "puzzle" is we're working on right now.
big ship, in a secret dock, now loaded up... and now is sailing toooo a hanso island? maybe?
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"gbm601 said...
snippet to recap on..
MINSU: I think you'll be pleased to hear your ship is almost ready; with all the modifications. But I have to warn you - this kind of ship can't dock just anywhere.
MITTELWERK: We have a port. How long will it be?
MINSU: I'd say no sooner than three weeks.
MITTELWERK: Could you pass the pepper? So what will it take to make it 2 weeks?"
Judging by this convo i don't think we'll be able to find the port Rach is at on any records.
Again we have to remember that THF is the best there is when it comes to subverting authority.
just an afterthought but has anyone done a checkup on our normal clue-giving sites?
thanks gbm601.
i'll try to piece a few things together, but it's much appreciated!
Do we think the ship's heading somewhere in the Med then. I mean if it was gonna go round the world, why would it set off from Italy where you're trapped and have to head out through Gibraltar to reach the ocean.
Well it could be needed to dock secretivly because of the contents, but there is always customs and you have to have a crane/crew to unload a ship like that. I do know that some ships can only dock in certin ports because of how low they sit in the water and also size of the ship at the doc itself. One idea is to figure out the ship model/size and see if their is a list of ports that could fit it.
Persephone_Rox_My_Sox yep! already been...ive added them to my favourites so i can access them straight away :D
He just says 'it can't dock at just any dock' - if it's a very large ship (like this 'HELGUS ANTONiUS') it doesn't need a secret dock so much a a very large one - and it's probably nigh impossible to build a 'secret' port on the san remo coast line.
I'm willing to bet that that's the ship for the spider protocol thing.
Chucklez: i hope that you're talking of iceland post 01
Thinking more about size, if it were going to "the island", could it fit thru the panama canal or even the suez canal?
jimbob: lol =p
I want to give you a spoiler about the island but i need to ask for your approval cos then you might get some of the clues sorted out..
maybe the ship isnt going to dock... maybe they can somehow swap cargo mid ocean,,,, or its a floating something or other , or its got supplies for an island
theboogwa: the island is supposed to be southwest of the florida keys. it doesn't need to fit thru any canals
nickb123,
I think 'The Holy Flower' will head for an island in the Med.
They need a short sailing voyage or the game will stall out waiting for it get anywhere else.
Well you could use the Suez Canal to head out of the Mediterranean. That would be the quickest access to get out towards the Pacific.
"jimbob89 said...
I want to give you a spoiler about the island but i need to ask for your approval cos then you might get some of the clues sorted out.."
Go right on ahead. I'm sure our brains won't asplode :D
jimbob give us this spoiler then
What if it was going to the south pacific island?
ohdamn! lol the island is southEAST of the keys.
I don't know if anyone's said this before of not...
But dissapearing boats and planes? I kinda fits with the bermuda triangle myth, is there a chance that our island is in the triangle?
It could be that the island IS the triangle... of course thats rediculous because the Dharma Initiative wasn't around in the World Wars
Basically right now we have nothing apart from a name to translate right? I mean theres no way we could figure out where its headed at this moment in time
here it is http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/Jimbob89_/Art/ep223hh_90_360x240.jpg There is a port on the island!
Thanks for that.....
I doubt its the island island though.....you need a special dock......thats a jetty
sorry, but i don't see any cranes or places that those containers on the ship could be unloaded.
Well not jetty but way too small
True...I might not be able to carry the wieght of the cargo either :S
-Persephone_Rox_My_Sox:
That's what I was implying - And no, the DHARMA INITIATIVE wasn't around in the world wars, but the black rook's been there for AGES.
Plus, there's all this buisness about the electromagnetic field of the island...
...Well, *I* think it fits anyway
the boogwa...they have the cranes on the boat dont they? or am i just being stupid again :S
it would be good if gidgetgirl DID make an appearance. Ok, so the hanso gang headed toward the airport, but when u discouvered it wasnt Thomas, u went for a walk and found the ship. This ship is carrying crates belonging to the hanso foundation. We dont know where they're heading, we dont even know what they are!!! Okay, gidgetgirl, we really need you expertise
OK...the name of the boat is Greek. At least it looks that way to me. And I agree with the translation..it's "Holy Flower".
So, maybe it's heading to Greece? A port in Greece? or the Greecian Islands? Maybe that's where the "special boat" that Paik is building will, eventually, doc? Or do we think THIS boat is "the special boat" (I doubt it..but maybe).
Wheres the other Hanso freaks going, back to Copenhagen? USA?
no, not anything that could off-load those containers. Even if the had something that could on the ship. They would need ways to transport it off the dock. To give you an idea of their size, they put stuff like vehicles inside them.
Can someone post a link that shows the greek translation? not that I think anyone's lying, I'm just curious.
What kind of ship is it? Could we get specs?
Yeah I know how big they are thanks though.....oh well theres my theory gone down the drain LoL
ron
actually to get the translation i used a baby's name page..
went with helga and antonia/anthony.
'Holy Flower'
Here is an idea of what that ship might need for a port, somethin with a crane like the one in this pic. http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-110374.html
southEAST of the keys.
anyone remember the site (hansofoundation.org), where it showed a "mysterious" island in the pacific, just northeast of Venezuela and Brazil??
I'm sticking to my "ST. VINCENT" theory.
At least in that AREA! also, I will look, but I believe it's "suspiciously" close to the equator!!
It's Latin, that's for sure. I studied it in high school. I'm searching Helgus right now.
Do we think all the crates on that ship belong to Hanso, or just the one? This spider protocol thing, does it require 100 crates?!
i tried latin in one search, but came with nothing.
trying another one now, too.
chucklez3, the pacific ocean is on the west side of the US, where California and Washington are.
The biggest port in Sanremo is the Portosole Marina. Check this out and see what you think:
http://eng.gilbertboat.com/park/Italy/Marina_Portosole_San_Remo/
theboogwa :S thanks...I was way off course them hehe
MrFrosty
I highly doubt its Holy Flower.
Helgus appears to be a Russian name. I doubt the game would switch Helga and Helgus.
Of course, I may be wrong. It happens a lot.
IMO Helgus Antnius is a name and so right now we're way off
does anyone see a flag on the ship at all? Each ship is supposed to display it's origin/nationality with the flag.
ron,
To each their own.
I stand by my translation.
I take it that the island/bermuda triangle theory has been rejected then?
I hate when we get to these dead ends. It just gives more credence to those who say this is more of a "follow along" than a "game." I mean, what happened to the real puzzles?
Looks like there's a lower case 'i' of the side and back of the ship, by the way. I think that looks far too deliberate to be a scratch.
Mattastrophe THATS WHAT I SAID! WOO! every said it was just a scratch....maybe it is an acronym?...but as PRMS said it is fartoo long to be an acronym
A user on Lostpedia has put its Swedish for Weekend Antonym.
Doesn't sound Swedish to me though
http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text=helgus+antonius&from=swe&to=eng
Ai!
ok so it's "weekend antonym" in english so since an antonym is the opposite, does it mean weekday?
Ok, my Latin-Italian dictionary is at home, and there aren't any good online dictionaries. But, anyway Antonius is definitely Latin for Anthony. I've only found an Helgus in the name of the author of a German edition of Flaccus's "Saturae". I'll just have a look at that book, seeing if there are places or islands of interest. Too bad I don't have a copy of it at home... :-(
And, I also found Helg (or similar) as a Swedish word. I don't know Swedish though, and I don't want to rely completely on an online dictionary...
It's a scratch, I think. Or they didn't photoshop it well. Because if you REALLY zoom in on the I in the 2nd pic, you can still see some paint connecting the top half and the bottom half on the right side.
theboogwa: whoops. yeah, my bad. I was thinking atlantic, because COMING FROM ITALY, you "enter" the Atlantic.
duh. my bad.
thanks though.
and since we know NOT where it's going, i'm sticking with ATLANTIC (just northeast of Venezuela and SOUTHEAST OF THE KEYS)!!!
Why would the names be as such.
HELGUS ANTONiUS
Or am I crazy?
weekend antonym would be weekday yeah - and that means absolutely nothing so far lol
Well, there IS Helgus Port in China...
Logan,
I think the I just has a scratch in the paint.
Oh, and I think we can safely say this is NOT the boat from Paik. Looks too old and too beat up....
Pilferk-
The Helgus port in China is a land port located on the border between China & Kazakhstan. I doubt it is ocean-accessible. Of course if the ship has had some modifications than maybe it can move on land.
Wouldn't that be something to see a barge of that size, rolling down the highway!
Agree with Pilferk on the 'looks too old' thing, but then again the scratches could have been caused due to the travel from Korea (presumably where it was built) to Sanremo
Personaly I think the island is tied to bermuda triangle
it adds up.. and we already know that radio problems and compass issues exist there..
and I think the Spider Protocol.. is a Noha's Ark kinda thing. a pair of every animal on the boat.
I like the idea of it meaning "Holy Flower" and they are actually on their way to a port in the Bay of Bengal...
Rachel, how the hell did you get so good at this?
Do we think the Swede translation to weekend antonym is just a coincidence?
KarmicZen maybe thats is to do with the electromagnetic problems on the island and the hills?
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NEWS JUST IN!! http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/lostninja/4773/what-is-dr-thomas-mittelwerk-really-up-to help me try to find it!!!
Why shouldn't they take their cargo to the Helga port in China? Paik can bring the special ship up to that port and take on the cargo from the HELGA ANTONiUS and then go to the island. They never said this ship was going to the island.
And for some of you who are noticing that "Hell" is being used too often to be a coincidence well the Ninja has started saying it now...
Before I ninja-launch into things, a few people have been asking recently - what the hell are you on about, oh Ninja my Ninja? We'll I'm doing my part to get the truth out, is what. There's a shady group named The Hanso Foundation operati
I agree, the boat couldn't GET to the Helgus port.
But that doesn't mean that's not the final destination of the cargo.
yes, I know...possbily reaching. But the ship name must mean SOMETHING. Just offering up all possibilities.
And you're assuming the "special ship" is of the seafareing variety. Not a bad assumption, probably. But not the only possibility, either.
What if the name of the ship was changed ? The letters seems different....Myabe the originale name is not
Helgus Angonius .....but.....
Hanso Alvar
This is probably nothing but...
HELGUS ANTONIUS is an anagram for:
HANSO Utile Guns
Hanso and guns - guessing never good....
But its still so annoying that we dunno if its a name, anagram, foreign language...
Maybe...just Maybe....it doesnt mean anything at all? maybe its just there to throw us of?